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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #250 on: May 10, 2013, 07:49:02 PM »
Who is faster than Mark and Doug from Barbados?

Stewart, Roger & Barry from Barbados?

do I win a prize?

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #251 on: May 10, 2013, 07:51:09 PM »
Yes.

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Re: CMRC Round 1
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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #253 on: May 10, 2013, 09:23:53 PM »
 
Who is faster than Mark and Doug from Barbados?

Stewart, Roger & Barry from Barbados?

do I win a prize?
    [wave]                    [kick] [kick]    did I hear someone say "focus " on the prize/lotus...................... collect your prize @ the gate!!!    [laugh]
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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #254 on: May 10, 2013, 10:29:00 PM »
 
Who is faster than Mark and Doug from Barbados?

Stewart, Roger & Barry from Barbados?

do I win a prize?
    [wave]                    [kick] [kick]    did I hear someone say "focus " on the prize/lotus...................... collect your prize @ the gate!!!    [laugh]


The Focus is never gonna come and the lotus was not ready in time this year. Dover will  never be focused man.

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #255 on: May 10, 2013, 10:35:09 PM »
naw tell no lie, TSR a my team, but the evo from guyana seem like it mean business....carbon fibre up and all...hmmm....the car is fast and the driver know the track.....something to really worry about. I think it will break into the sub 20's and be the second overseas car to do that.As for andrew king, i really hope him come better than last year, cuz last year was shambles from him. Did he do any upgrade work to his rx7?

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #256 on: May 10, 2013, 10:46:11 PM »
Who is faster than Mark and Doug from Barbados?

Stewart, Roger & Barry from Barbados?

do I win a prize?

The question was "who is" not who has gone faster. Since Mark is the only one to have raced locally this year then the rest are unknowns at this point. Mark is fastest.  [cheeky] Doug went his fastest yet in Guyana last November so he is looking to do the same at Dover + many changes have been made to Mark's car since it last raced at Dover. Different engine, suspension, differential.... we just don't know until we start testing.
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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #257 on: May 10, 2013, 11:36:20 PM »
Good one Kurt.

Looking forward to seeing the entire team.

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #258 on: May 11, 2013, 12:17:00 AM »
Who is faster than Mark and Doug from Barbados?

Stewart, Roger & Barry from Barbados?

do I win a prize?

The question was "who is" not who has gone faster. Since Mark is the only one to have raced locally this year then the rest are unknowns at this point. Mark is fastest.  [cheeky] Doug went his fastest yet in Guyana last November so he is looking to do the same at Dover + many changes have been made to Mark's car since it last raced at Dover. Different engine, suspension, differential.... we just don't know until we start testing.
Yea exactly so we all jusy speculating....

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #259 on: May 11, 2013, 12:22:09 AM »
Armchair, the fastest driver from Guyana is coming, two of the fastest from Barbados are coming and the Jamaican Team just got stronger.

I would say that most of the best set of Caribbean drivers are set to battle at Dover Raceway.

Who is faster than Kevin and Andrew from Guyana?
Who is faster than Mark and Doug from Barbados?

See what I mean?


Then take the team set from Jamaica...
  Got no problem with that, but we used to have more group 4 entrants... I think Roger and  Stuart W are missing Barbados, and we know why. Mark Vieria  is missing from Guyana I don't know why. I have not seen Jamaica's team yet, but Jamaica always represent, at home and abroad. I bet you will have the maximun number of Grp 4 cars from Barbados entering from  entering the Barbados leg ? and the same in Guyana. and Jamaica will take full containers to Barbados and Guyana.

So AR .....if you have a max number of cars from other countries in the other countries except Jamaica what is that saying?

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« Reply #260 on: May 11, 2013, 07:04:58 AM »
Its saying a lot of things. Number one, Jamaica is the boss. If Doug would comply with the rules and enter the Audi, and zoom zoom was a little bit more reliable, then they would have a lock on the country and drivers championship. Then the others would not even need to enter.

It also says that the drivers who do not make the effort and sacrifice to come to Jamaica might be scared of racing against the Jamaicans at Dover . The ones who come have not dominated there. One foreign driver has won one race there in the part.. The Whole idea of Why go if you can't win there is Utter  Effery!  David is not scared of taking licks at bushy park, and South Dakota, He is a true champion.
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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #261 on: May 11, 2013, 08:54:01 AM »
Doug Hollywood Gore is part of the CMRC team for 2013! As long as car is fine team ATL Racing will be traveling to all rounds of the CMRC.

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« Reply #262 on: May 11, 2013, 08:55:34 AM »
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 Wha dem say.. PEOPLE DEAD!

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #263 on: May 11, 2013, 09:00:56 AM »
Doug Hollywood Gore is part of the CMRC team for 2013! As long as car is fine team ATL Racing will be traveling to all rounds of the CMRC.

Great, congratulations ATL. How was the weight issue solved?
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« Reply #264 on: May 11, 2013, 09:26:06 AM »
Came to an agreement, thanks to All that helped, mainly Silborne Clark our Jamaica CMRC rep. And some of our foreign drivers.

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #265 on: May 11, 2013, 09:42:23 AM »
Suki, suki now. Game on.   [crazy]
I wouldn't have missed a thing... not one minute of it.

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #266 on: May 11, 2013, 09:46:58 AM »
   so he is at the correct weight then? hmm it was not said no weight would not be added to the car?

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #267 on: May 11, 2013, 09:53:54 AM »
   so he is at the correct weight then? hmm it was not said no weight would not be added to the car?
so i am guessing the rules are now "run what u brung"
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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #268 on: May 11, 2013, 10:17:33 AM »
Came to an agreement, thanks to All that helped, mainly Silborne Clark our Jamaica CMRC rep. And some of our foreign drivers.

Ok Hollywood, ask Doug Gore what has solved the weight issue that the Audi had before. Because clearly you either don't know or care to disclose to the plebs.
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« Reply #269 on: May 11, 2013, 10:30:35 AM »
ss u dont get what u mean. he said  he was not adding weight to the car this year cause he was working on the handling.

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« Reply #270 on: May 11, 2013, 10:33:04 AM »
ss u dont get what u mean. he said  he was not adding weight to the car this year cause he was working on the handling.
understand fully!!
last we check car didnt meet weight and it was said nothing more will be added car at its max weight
so i figured the rules must have changed to "run what u brung"
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« Reply #271 on: May 11, 2013, 10:34:40 AM »
Have the CRMC rules changed?  [ponder]
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« Reply #272 on: May 11, 2013, 10:36:16 AM »


I now see what you did there Mikey. [thumbsup] are you a profit of some sorts? You seem to know the future  [rofl]

Doug Hollywood Gore is part of the CMRC team for 2013! As long as car is fine team ATL Racing will be traveling to all rounds of the CMRC.

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« Reply #273 on: May 11, 2013, 10:36:27 AM »
u  a part of gore team ss that u said we?

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« Reply #275 on: May 11, 2013, 10:38:20 AM »
u  a part of gore team ss that u said we?
no i am not.
we as in the rest of the forum thats under the impression the car is under weight and cant meet cmrc weight and is asking about the weight of the car  and if the rules were changed to suit the under weight car
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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #276 on: May 11, 2013, 10:53:30 AM »
Doug Hollywood Gore is part of the CMRC team for 2013! As long as car is fine team ATL Racing will be traveling to all rounds of the CMRC.

It's about time, a welcomed addition to the series.  [applause] [applause] This should bring more excitement to the series.

Imagine Audi going up against the Focus and the Lotus in Barbados and Guyana.  [stretcher] [stretcher]

Great times ahead... [drunk] [drunk]



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« Reply #277 on: May 11, 2013, 11:14:10 AM »
Logic mussi nuh wake up yet? Or him beg Doogie to start before him can log on. [dwl] [dwl] Lets go Team Jamaica. [wave]

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #278 on: May 11, 2013, 11:26:07 AM »
Doug Hollywood Gore is part of the CMRC team for 2013! As long as car is fine team ATL Racing will be traveling to all rounds of the CMRC.

It's about time, a welcomed addition to the series.  [applause] [applause] This should bring more excitement to the series.

Imagine Audi going up against the Focus and the Lotus in Barbados and Guyana.  [stretcher] [stretcher]

Great times ahead...
[drunk] [drunk]

Best comment I have seen since the announcement that the DTM will be in CMRC.  [thumbsup]

Admins, GM, where is the 'like this post' button?

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #279 on: May 11, 2013, 11:33:21 AM »
i would like to know how much weight has been added.

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« Reply #280 on: May 11, 2013, 11:45:43 AM »
Does it matter? If weights were added, I would think it would be enough to make it eligible for CMRC  [rofl]

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #281 on: May 11, 2013, 11:55:22 AM »
2700lbs [whistle]

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« Reply #282 on: May 11, 2013, 12:00:30 PM »
Doug Hollywood Gore is part of the CMRC team for 2013! As long as car is fine team ATL Racing will be traveling to all rounds of the CMRC.

Congrats to you and team ATL, this year Jamaica will showcase their strongest team ever in terms of drives and cars.  [wave] [boxing]

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« Reply #283 on: May 11, 2013, 12:03:15 PM »
Speak softly and carry a big stick.   

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« Reply #284 on: May 11, 2013, 12:05:53 PM »
Doug Hollywood Gore is part of the CMRC team for 2013! As long as car is fine team ATL Racing will be traveling to all rounds of the CMRC.

Congrats to you and team ATL, this year Jamaica will showcase their strongest team ever in terms of drives and cars.  [wave] [boxing]

Where? Which cars? Have you seen the members/cars of the Jamaican team?

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #285 on: May 11, 2013, 12:16:11 PM »
Does it matter? If weights were added, I would think it would be enough to make it eligible for CMRC  [rofl]

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here let me help you follow along with the convo  [hi] [hi]


Guys, have not been on Wheels for a while. The car arrives in the island on the 15th (Friday) [rofl], So glad to be back is the first and foremost plan.
Jamwest will be the first drive in the car March 3rd. Then off to Dover for the April Meet.
The Germany trip was quite enlightening for us all. After much talks with the engineers they have built the car 50/50 split and was told and even on documented fact to us at ATL Racing that the car CANNOT run no more than 2686 pounds for any race that we enter (MP4 race rules are 2669, so we are ok there). The weight plate in the car is now full just to make MP4 rules. CMRC at the present weight of 2785 cannot work, so it would be to the CMRC whether they want me to be a part of the CMRC and lower the weights rule on the car at this moment.
If not the car will just run in Jamaica, what it was bought and intended for in the first place.
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A real big thanks to all my sponsors that have kept up with the progress of the car and backing me even when at one point i thought the car was not coming back. ATL Racing, Petcom / Pace, Boom / Wata, and two new sponsors Rainforest Seafoods and Sherwin Williams Paints.
See you then! :)

so was weight added or as RUDE BOY ROY stated

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« Reply #286 on: May 11, 2013, 12:19:47 PM »
Does it matter? If weights were added, I would think it would be enough to make it eligible for CMRC  [rofl]

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here let me help you follow along with the convo  [hi] [hi]


Guys, have not been on Wheels for a while. The car arrives in the island on the 15th (Friday) [rofl], So glad to be back is the first and foremost plan.
Jamwest will be the first drive in the car March 3rd. Then off to Dover for the April Meet.
The Germany trip was quite enlightening for us all. After much talks with the engineers they have built the car 50/50 split and was told and even on documented fact to us at ATL Racing that the car CANNOT run no more than 2686 pounds for any race that we enter (MP4 race rules are 2669, so we are ok there). The weight plate in the car is now full just to make MP4 rules. CMRC at the present weight of 2785 cannot work, so it would be to the CMRC whether they want me to be a part of the CMRC and lower the weights rule on the car at this moment.
If not the car will just run in Jamaica, what it was bought and intended for in the first place.

A real big thanks to all my sponsors that have kept up with the progress of the car and backing me even when at one point i thought the car was not coming back. ATL Racing, Petcom / Pace, Boom / Wata, and two new sponsors Rainforest Seafoods and Sherwin Williams Paints.
See you then! :)

Why do you think I was not aware of all that section in red that you have posted? Apparently you ignored the smiley at the end of my post that you quoted.

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #287 on: May 11, 2013, 12:21:05 PM »
 [shutup] if it was meant sarcastic i missed it entirely  [wallbash] [wallbash]
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« Reply #288 on: May 11, 2013, 12:22:34 PM »
[shutup] if it was meant sarcastic i missed it entirely  [wallbash] [wallbash]

 [rofl] [dwl]

That's why I asked if it mattered.

So IF the rules were changed, maybe others will/should benefit too?  [ponder]

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« Reply #289 on: May 11, 2013, 12:25:28 PM »
matters not to me anyways and honestly Dover needs sponsors and changing the rules to suit one after they spent so much money to help fix up the place  [noclue] [noclue] [noclue] hey why not
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« Reply #290 on: May 11, 2013, 12:26:38 PM »
matters not to me anyways and honestly Dover needs sponsors and changing the rules to suit one after they spent so much money to help fix up the place  [noclue] [noclue] [noclue] hey why not

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« Reply #291 on: May 11, 2013, 12:52:36 PM »
matters not to me anyways and honestly Dover needs sponsors and changing the rules to suit one after they spent so much money to help fix up the place  [noclue] [noclue] [noclue] hey why not

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« Reply #292 on: May 11, 2013, 12:55:46 PM »
2700lbs [whistle]

If the Audi is 4,000cc it would have to weigh (4,000 x 0.625) = 2500, then 2500 + (2500 x 5%) = 2625, then add the driver factor of 160 = 2785 lbs to be legal for the CMRC. If the weight regulations that were in place in 2012, are still in effect, then the car must weigh in at 2,785 after the CMRC races. Anything less would mean the weight regulation have been lowered, which they obviously have been if Doug is running less weight.

(I see Doug Replied when I was posting this... ooops that was a quote from Feb, but still applies)

If Doug is running lighter this is great news, and I will need to get the new weight regulations as we need to move from 1.8 to 2.0 engine, which would allow us to get closer to a similar power level as the other cars. The Lotus is already 100lbs over max chassis weight with BARL weights, this would allow us to easily upgrade to the 2.0 engine while maintaining a similar weight. It would be nice if the new weight regulations could be posted here, so I can begin my calculations.

It would seem obvious to me that the cc factor has moved to 0.6, so now Doug would be (4000 x 0.6) = 2400, then 2400 + (2400 x 5%) = 2520, then add the driver factor of 160 = 2680

This would mean the Lotus can now move from:

1800 x 1.7 = 3060, then 3060 x 0.625 = 1912.50, then 1912.50 + 160 = 2072.50 with 1800cc engine to:
2000 x 1.7 = 3400, then 3400 x 0.6 = 2040, then 2040 +160 = 2200 with 2000cc engine

So in effect the car would run 25lbs lighter than the weight when it set the Bushy Park track record....  :)

RagSpeed of course others could benefit. It's one thing changing the rules but there is no way the CMRC could make an exception for a single competitor at this late stage. They would have to come up with a new weight regulation that in theory could yield similar benefits for ALL competitors. We can argue until the end of time about the fairness of a rule change, but there is no question that the rule change must apply to every competitor.
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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #293 on: May 11, 2013, 12:58:58 PM »
Doug Hollywood Gore is part of the CMRC team for 2013! As long as car is fine team ATL Racing will be traveling to all rounds of the CMRC.

Congrats to you and team ATL, this year Jamaica will showcase their strongest team ever in terms of drives and cars.  [wave] [boxing]

Where? Which cars? Have you seen the members/cars of the Jamaican team?

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No, but anxiously awaiting the announcement from teach, but one can speculate that with the eligibility of doug and the Audi TT, he and the likes of Peter Rae and David would make the team.  Pus I think it was implied in teach post yesterday. “The confirmed Jamaica Team will be released tomorrow.  Let me say the strongest team for years again has a Pastor joining them and a few others who will make it the strongest ever

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« Reply #294 on: May 11, 2013, 02:00:04 PM »
here we go again...
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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #295 on: May 11, 2013, 02:24:14 PM »
2700lbs [whistle]

If the Audi is 4,000cc it would have to weigh (4,000 x 0.625) = 2500, then 2500 + (2500 x 5%) = 2625, then add the driver factor of 160 = 2785 lbs to be legal for the CMRC. If the weight regulations that were in place in 2012, are still in effect, then the car must weigh in at 2,785 after the CMRC races. Anything less would mean the weight regulation have been lowered, which they obviously have been if Doug is running less weight.

(I see Doug Replied when I was posting this... ooops that was a quote from Feb, but still applies)

If Doug is running lighter this is great news, and I will need to get the new weight regulations as we need to move from 1.8 to 2.0 engine, which would allow us to get closer to a similar power level as the other cars. The Lotus is already 100lbs over max chassis weight with BARL weights, this would allow us to easily upgrade to the 2.0 engine while maintaining a similar weight. It would be nice if the new weight regulations could be posted here, so I can begin my calculations.

It would seem obvious to me that the cc factor has moved to 0.6, so now Doug would be (4000 x 0.6) = 2400, then 2400 + (2400 x 5%) = 2520, then add the driver factor of 160 = 2680

This would mean the Lotus can now move from:

1800 x 1.7 = 3060, then 3060 x 0.625 = 1912.50, then 1912.50 + 160 = 2072.50 with 1800cc engine to:
2000 x 1.7 = 3400, then 3400 x 0.6 = 2040, then 2040 +160 = 2200 with 2000cc engine

So in effect the car would run 25lbs lighter than the weight when it set the Bushy Park track record....  :)

RagSpeed of course others could benefit. It's one thing changing the rules but there is no way the CMRC could make an exception for a single competitor at this late stage. They would have to come up with a new weight regulation that in theory could yield similar benefits for ALL competitors. We can argue until the end of time about the fairness of a rule change, but there is no question that the rule change must apply to every competitor.

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #296 on: May 11, 2013, 06:21:39 PM »
CMRC changes 2013

•   Organisers/Hosts will now be mandated to conduct Race Starts and Finishes in accordance with CMRC Regulations.
•   Points System changed to award top 10 finishers. F1 points allocation table adopted.
•   2% weight reduction for naturally aspirated cars 3701-4500cc. Factor 0.605 lbs. per cc

There are changes on the horizon for the Seaboard Marine Caribbean Motor Racing Championship which we envision will come into effect for 2014. It will be a basic overhaul of the Series in its current form so we are very excited about that and look forward to meetings and discussions over the coming months. Face to face talks are always best and Round 1 in Jamaica later this month gives us an opportunity to discuss the future and vision of the Series.

Specific to the 2013 Series: I can see that the weight issue is the burning topic here so let me dive in. We were not in favour of weights being lowered across the board last year as we felt that they (weights) of the lower cubic capacity engines were already below what they should be and most of our cars were already 200+ lbs over the minimum allowed in 2011. We appreciate that it is fairly difficult to come up with formulas to level the playing field with all the varying configurations around but have always suggested that having a single "lb. per cc" factor throughout the cubic capacity range was not the way to go. This year we support the 2% weight reduction for the higher cubic capacity cars as it is along the lines of what we have proposed in the past and is consistent with the manner in which the Series has tried to balance performance advantages over the past five years. A lot of people may not remember, but when Mark Maloney joined the CMRC in 08, his then 20B Rotary powered RX3 had to weigh 2632 lbs., today the same car can weigh 2244 lbs.

Doug Gore has dominated the weight debate ever since the advent of the Audi TT and there has been a lot of partisan lobbying one way or the other over this particular car. This has brought the case of the weights for higher cubic capacity cars to the forefront.
The new reduction though, may be a little late for one of our own drivers. While much of the focus has been on Doug, it has been our own Steve King and his Nissan Skyline that has suffered the most over the past five years. Steve’s car was built to our Group 3C rules and when we joined the CMRC in 08 it meant that he had to add 500+ lbs. to be legal for the Series because of its high capacity RB25 turbocharged engine. To add insult to injury Group 4 was created and the CMRC Regulations adopted. Of course all our CMRC contenders gravitated there leaving Steve to compete by himself in Group 3C. I regret that we were not able to come up with rules which would have found favour with Steve because he is one of our biggest supporters on tour and I know that he would have been shoulder to shoulder with the Maloneys as one of Barbados’ leading CMRC competitors. He may still bite at the 2% reduction cherry, but I am aware that he plans to retire the car from circuit racing this year.

We have an excellent database of actual weights, horsepower and lap times of most of the cars on the various tracks and by the end of this Series hopefully we would have added a few more. This is an excellent platform on which we can build the Technical Regulations of the future.
 
The start and finish regulations had to be spelled out in the CMRC Regulations because we don’t want to see a repeat of what transpired at South Dakota last year, so yes we are in favour of that as well, and opening up the Points Table gives more competitors an opportunity to score. Supporting that was a no brainer.

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #297 on: May 11, 2013, 07:01:49 PM »
Probable yall need a weight class, like how jrdc has different classes running together, probable like for group 4 cars apart from 2 wheel and 4wheel class a weight class category in different brackets.

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #298 on: May 11, 2013, 07:18:47 PM »
CMRC changes 2013

•   Organisers/Hosts will now be mandated to conduct Race Starts and Finishes in accordance with CMRC Regulations.
•   Points System changed to award top 10 finishers. F1 points allocation table adopted.
•   2% weight reduction for naturally aspirated cars 3701-4500cc. Factor 0.605 lbs. per cc

There are changes on the horizon for the Seaboard Marine Caribbean Motor Racing Championship which we envision will come into effect for 2014. It will be a basic overhaul of the Series in its current form so we are very excited about that and look forward to meetings and discussions over the coming months. Face to face talks are always best and Round 1 in Jamaica later this month gives us an opportunity to discuss the future and vision of the Series.

Specific to the 2013 Series: I can see that the weight issue is the burning topic here so let me dive in. We were not in favour of weights being lowered across the board last year as we felt that they (weights) of the lower cubic capacity engines were already below what they should be and most of our cars were already 200+ lbs over the minimum allowed in 2011. We appreciate that it is fairly difficult to come up with formulas to level the playing field with all the varying configurations around but have always suggested that having a single "lb. per cc" factor throughout the cubic capacity range was not the way to go. This year we support the 2% weight reduction for the higher cubic capacity cars as it is along the lines of what we have proposed in the past and is consistent with the manner in which the Series has tried to balance performance advantages over the past five years. A lot of people may not remember, but when Mark Maloney joined the CMRC in 08, his then 20B Rotary powered RX3 had to weigh 2632 lbs., today the same car can weigh 2244 lbs.

Doug Gore has dominated the weight debate ever since the advent of the Audi TT and there has been a lot of partisan lobbying one way or the other over this particular car. This has brought the case of the weights for higher cubic capacity cars to the forefront.
The new reduction though, may be a little late for one of our own drivers. While much of the focus has been on Doug, it has been our own Steve King and his Nissan Skyline that has suffered the most over the past five years. Steve’s car was built to our Group 3C rules and when we joined the CMRC in 08 it meant that he had to add 500+ lbs. to be legal for the Series because of its high capacity RB25 turbocharged engine. To add insult to injury Group 4 was created and the CMRC Regulations adopted. Of course all our CMRC contenders gravitated there leaving Steve to compete by himself in Group 3C. I regret that we were not able to come up with rules which would have found favour with Steve because he is one of our biggest supporters on tour and I know that he would have been shoulder to shoulder with the Maloneys as one of Barbados’ leading CMRC competitors. He may still bite at the 2% reduction cherry, but I am aware that he plans to retire the car from circuit racing this year.

We have an excellent database of actual weights, horsepower and lap times of most of the cars on the various tracks and by the end of this Series hopefully we would have added a few more. This is an excellent platform on which we can build the Technical Regulations of the future.
 
The start and finish regulations had to be spelled out in the CMRC Regulations because we don’t want to see a repeat of what transpired at South Dakota last year, so yes we are in favour of that as well, and opening up the Points Table gives more competitors an opportunity to score. Supporting that was a no brainer.

Interesting. Thanks for the insight and hope this CMRC will be a great one.

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Re: CMRC Round 1
« Reply #299 on: May 11, 2013, 07:27:36 PM »
Kurt,

Please tell me that factor of 0.605 is for all cars. I'm 99% sure it has to be, but want to confirm.

While I don't agree with the 2% reduction for the higher cc cars, it is a marginal advantage.