Seaboard Marine CMRC Round 1 Results

[Teach]

SEABOARD MARINE SHIPPING
Caribbean Motor Racing Championship (CMRC) 
             Round 1 – Jamaica

GROUP 2 (1.6 litre)      Race 1
1st  Mark Thompson (Barbados)
2nd Gary Barrett (Cayman)
3rd  Guy Fraser (Jamaica)


GROUP 2 (1.6 litre)      Race 2
1st  Gary Barrett (Cayman)
2nd Guy Fraser (Jamaica)
3rd  John Josephs (Guyana)


GROUP 2 (1.6 litre)      Race 3
1st  Gary Barrett (Cayman)
2nd Guy Fraser (Jamaica)
3rd  John Josephs (Guyana)


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GROUP 2 (2.0 litre)      Race 1
1st   Kyle Gregg (Jamaica)
2nd  Alan Chen (Jamaica)
3rd  Sebastien Rae (Jamaica)


GROUP 2 (2.0 litre)      Race 2
1st  Kyle Gregg (Jamaica)
2nd Sebastien Rae (Jamaica)
3rd  Kurt Thompson (Barbados)


GROUP 2 (2.0 litre)      Race 3
1st   Kyle Gregg (Jamaica)
2nd  Syed Hassan (Guyana)
3rd   Afraz Allie (Guyana)


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CMRC   Race 1
1st   Doug Gore (Jamaica)      
2nd  Peter Rae   (Jamaica)
3rd   Doug Maloney (Barbados)
      

CMRC   Race 2
1st   Doug Gore (Jamaica)      
2nd  Doug Maloney (Barbados)
3rd   Christopher Campbell (Jamaica)


CMRC   Race 3
1st   Doug Gore (Jamaica)         
2nd  Kevin Jeffery (Guyana) 
3rd   Doug Maloney (Barbados)

[Ricky Star]

SEABOARD MARINE SHIPPING
Caribbean Motor Racing Championship (CMRC) 
             Round 1 – Jamaica

GROUP 2 (1.6 litre)      Race 1
1st  Mark Thompson (Barbados)
2nd Gary Barrett (Cayman)
3rd  Guy Fraser (Jamaica)

GROUP 2 (1.6 litre)      Race 2
1st  Gary Barrett (Cayman)
2nd Guy Fraser (Jamaica)
3rd  John Josephs (Guyana)

GROUP 2 (1.6 litre)      Race 3
1st  Gary Barrett (Cayman)
2nd Guy Fraser (Jamaica)
3rd  John Josephs (Guyana)


GROUP 2 (2.0 litre)      Race 1
1st   Kyle Gregg (Jamaica)
2nd  Alan Chen (Jamaica)
3rd  Sebastien Rae (Jamaica)


GROUP 2 (2.0 litre)      Race 2
1st  Kyle Gregg (Jamaica)
2nd Sebastien Rae (Jamaica)
3rd  Kurt Thompson (Barbados)


GROUP 2 (2.0 litre)      Race 3
1st   Kyle Gregg (Jamaica)
2nd  Syed Hassan (Guyana)
3rd   Afraz Allie (Guyana)



CMRC   Race 1
1st   Doug Gore (Jamaica)      
2nd  Peter Rae   (Jamaica)
3rd   Doug Maloney (Barbados)
      

CMRC   Race 2
1st   Doug Gore (Jamaica)      
2nd  Doug Maloney (Barbados)
3rd   Christopher Campbell (Jamaica)


CMRC   Race 3
1st   Doug Gore (Jamaica)         
2nd  Kevin Jeffery (Guyana) 
3rd   Doug Maloney (Barbados)

Can we have some times for the respective races?

[Teach]

Yes.  You can...

[Matthew" Magnet" Gore]

A BIGGGGGG question for the JRDC and CMRC.

Are you all 100% sure that Gary Barrett's Honda is a 1600cc, MP1 LEGAL car??

That car was @ the dyno in Mobay right before Dover making 230whp @ 8300rpm, hmmmmmmmmmmm 
If I was at Dover a protest would of been lodged, even if I am wrong I would love the truth to that motor and see for myself . Lets see if its the same in August.

[ЯāĢSpeEd نيسان]

A BIGGGGGG question for the JRDC and CMRC.

Are you all 100% sure that Gary Barrett's Honda is a 1600cc, MP1 LEGAL car??

That car was @ the dyno in Mobay right before Dover making 230whp @ 8300rpm, hmmmmmmmmmmm 
If I was at Dover a protest would of been lodged, even if I am wrong I would love the truth to that motor and see for myself . Lets see if its the same in August.

Interesting. 230whp @ 8300 is a lot, compared to same hp at say @ say, 9k or 9.5k. What was the torque like? And the dyno @ Mobay is relatively mean...

When I saw the results and also saw it in the 1.6L category, just as much as I saw Kyle and Allan's car being categorized as 2.0L.

Can someone shed some light?

Peace

[Matthew" Magnet" Gore]

TECHNICAL INSPECTION
At the preliminary technical inspection, the scrutineer shall be checking mandatory safety equipment, vehicle safety, mechanical compliance to classifications (where possible), and required sponsors decals and logos. Weighing of vehicles shall be a part of the preliminary technical inspection.

Post race / qualifying technical inspection shall take place immediately after each session. The first, second and third placed cars in ALL CLASSES shall proceed DIRECTLY to the scrutineering / scale area to be weighed, and checked for the necessary decals and logos. Bracket Classes will be checked for compliance with the Technical Regulations. Failure to do so may result in disqualification, at the discretion of the Clerk of the Course. The onus is on the competitor to present his car promptly for weighing. A random weighing and inspection of other Modified Production and Thundersport cars competing may be ordered by the scrutineer after any track session. A crew member from each team shall remain with the car while it is in the scrutineering / scale area.

Read what this rule says in the ASR. Hmmmmmmm??
The first, second and third finishing, Modified Production, SEABOARD MARINE SHIPPING CMRC, SEABOARD
MARINE SHIPPING GP2 and Thundersport competitors shall have their engine displacement measured after
race completion, at least once each day of competition. This requirement will not apply to rotary engine cars.

[sala2]

 When is prize giving an wen will results b posted

[Teach]

Friday at 7pm  - Pegasus
Free to enter...

Posting ALL results now...

[Matthew" Magnet" Gore]

Ok, since I posted this earlier there has been over a 100 views and it seems I am being ignored, I would like Mr Mcfarlane or a member of JRDC executive to answer this please;

Read what this rule says in the ASR. Hmmmmmmm??
The first, second and third finishing, Modified Production, SEABOARD MARINE SHIPPING CMRC, SEABOARD
MARINE SHIPPING GP2 and Thundersport competitors shall have their engine displacement measured after
race completion, at least once each day of competition. This requirement will not apply to rotary engine cars.

Why wasn't this done on Saturday and Sunday? U all talk about rules, etc whats up with this one? 

How can a man run an illegal car and get away with it and also be awarded? B16 @ 235whp? Hell NO!!

[Shifter Kart]

so matt why u never make gary lodge a protest at the track?  bit too late now really...

[Matthew" Magnet" Gore]

@ Shifter, Guy drove the Starlet, not Gary. I wasn't around this weekend and I just knew of this yesterday evening. I called Guy and asked how the day went and he told me this black civic cleaned up the MP1 class so after checking and finding out relevant information it puzzled me, trust me if I was there it would of been lodged.
My question to the JRDC is why set a rule on the ASR and and no engine displacement checks were done.

Don't get me wrong I know Gary Barrett from when we used to go to Cayman and race 1998-2000 and he is cool, but I dont like illegal, tiefing racing!

[Matthew" Magnet" Gore]

And Gary Barrett knows this because from the information I have he was asked before Dover what kind of engine is in the car after people saw the dyno figures, he even called the dyno and cussed at why his figures were shown otherwise. Remember Mobay is a small place, I will hear these things.

[Shifter Kart]

shame CD didnt run. wouldve been able to get a nice comparo since IIRC her engine was previously touted as MP1's most powerful

[Duct Tape]

Posting ALL results now...

Where exactly? I cant seem to find them here on wheels, nor on the JRDC Facebook page or group, nor on the JRDC website 2 hours after ...

[BIG RERM]

Posting ALL results now...

Where exactly? I cant seem to find them here on wheels, nor on the JRDC Facebook page or group, nor on the JRDC website 2 hours after ...

air mail 

[BIG RERM]

Posting ALL results now...

Where exactly? I cant seem to find them here on wheels, nor on the JRDC Facebook page or group, nor on the JRDC website 2 hours after ...

check the post office 

[A.Wayne]

Posting ALL results now...

Where exactly? I cant seem to find them here on wheels, nor on the JRDC Facebook page or group, nor on the JRDC website 2 hours after ...

I had requested results 6 times on Sat and Sunday and got none , recorded lap times are inconsistent and well guarded .

Yes i could give you a list of changes necessary , but why spoil the fun ...


 

[A.Wayne]

@ Shifter, Guy drove the Starlet, not Gary. I wasn't around this weekend and I just knew of this yesterday evening. I called Guy and asked how the day went and he told me this black civic cleaned up the MP1 class so after checking and finding out relevant information it puzzled me, trust me if I was there it would of been lodged.
My question to the JRDC is why set a rule on the ASR and and no engine displacement checks were done.

Don't get me wrong I know Gary Barrett from when we used to go to Cayman and race 1998-2000 and he is cool, but I dont like illegal, tiefing racing!

That power to the wheel is not impossible from a 1.6 litre engine , but i do agree it is from that particular engine and below 9k ....

 Hmmmmmm...

[A.Wayne]

Yes.  You can...

Well .........

[shuggy clutch]

i will never forget what this guy said to me after a race...you must be cheating shugs ...i asked y he said bcuz i was cheating and u still beat me    ps: i wasn't cheating 

[A.Wayne]

i will never forget what this guy said to me after a race...you must be cheating shugs ...i asked y he said bcuz i was cheating and u still beat me    ps: i wasn't cheating 

Damn , kids can be ruff on sports day  .... 

[Finishliner]

@ Shifter, Guy drove the Starlet, not Gary. I wasn't around this weekend and I just knew of this yesterday evening. I called Guy and asked how the day went and he told me this black civic cleaned up the MP1 class so after checking and finding out relevant information it puzzled me, trust me if I was there it would of been lodged.
My question to the JRDC is why set a rule on the ASR and and no engine displacement checks were done.

Don't get me wrong I know Gary Barrett from when we used to go to Cayman and race 1998-2000 and he is cool, but I dont like illegal, tiefing racing!

so why didnt you advise Doug last meet with the tyre thing ?

Here is the thing mek sure you run Mp1  August ! Then you will get a chance to lodge the protest !  How that sound

[shuggy clutch]

i will never forget what this guy said to me after a race...you must be cheating shugs ...i asked y he said bcuz i was cheating and u still beat me    ps: i wasn't cheating 

Damn , kids can be ruff on sports day  .... 

 it was the math race  u wouldnt be familiar with such events

[sala2]

 Since we afi beg de result dem , mi a beg den IMF

[Armchair racer]

i will never forget what this guy said to me after a race...you must be cheating shugs ...i asked y he said bcuz i was cheating and u still beat me    ps: i wasn't cheating 

 So hold on.. is you name Junior Johnson, of NASCAR fame.. come better and come original,    " I knowed that summabitch was  cheating, cuz I was cheating, and that sumbabitch sitll beat me!

[shuggy clutch]

i will never forget what this guy said to me after a race...you must be cheating shugs ...i asked y he said bcuz i was cheating and u still beat me    ps: i wasn't cheating 

 So hold on.. is you name Junior Johnson, of NASCAR fame.. come better and come original,    " I knowed that summabitch was  cheating, cuz I was cheating, and that sumbabitch sitll beat me!

maybe the person who said it to me heard it before from junior Johnson idk but that is wat was said to me after the math race 

[Chiney_Dolly]

i heard about that HP, 230whp from a 1600 is somewhat acheiveable but i heard his set up, and it seems unlikely from his engine.

what times was Barret doing on sunday?

thanks

[Duct Tape]

i will never forget what this guy said to me after a race...you must be cheating shugs ...i asked y he said bcuz i was cheating and u still beat me    ps: i wasn't cheating 

 So hold on.. is you name Junior Johnson, of NASCAR fame.. come better and come original,    " I knowed that summabitch was  cheating, cuz I was cheating, and that sumbabitch sitll beat me!

maybe the person who said it to me heard it before from junior Johnson idk but that is wat was said to me after the math race 

Yeah Shuggy, thats a quote, not an original. Its even used as someone's signature here on wheels.

Heck, we arguing about plagiarism in a results thread.
How off topic can we get?

Still waiting...
It looks like is post office the results gone fe true.

[toyracer]

My question to the JRDC is why set a rule on the ASR and and no engine displacement checks were done.

This isn't from the JRDC but the Chief Scrutineer Neil Harvey has asked me to copy this (from the GMR&SC forum) and place it here as his response (he cannot post on WJ).

     Today, 09:02 AM
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I read a post on wheels Jamaica from Mathew Gore , what it is asking how come there is a car in mp1 , cmrc gp1 that is 1600 cc building 230 hp @ the wheels , the hp figure is known as it was disclosed , this is at 8300 rpm , the asr says cars cc is to be checked , now as the cheife of scruteerning by what method am i to check this with out a tool to do so, the head would have to come off for me to do this , i honestly think that 90 percent of the drivers that know the tool is broken will use this to their advantage as they know others will be cautious before protesting as pulling the head would be costly to them if the engine is legal , i wonder when we will come to our senses as a club and put the money together to buy a tool to stop the cheaters .

[pioneer_sti]

My question to the JRDC is why set a rule on the ASR and and no engine displacement checks were done.

This isn't from the JRDC but the Chief Scrutineer Neil Harvey has asked me to copy this (from the GMR&SC forum) and place it here as his response (he cannot post on WJ).

     Today, 09:02 AM
Post #1

Advanced Member

Group: Members
Posts: 1,479
Joined: 29-December 08
From: jamaica
Member No.: 17,061

I read a post on wheels Jamaica from Mathew Gore , what it is asking how come there is a car in mp1 , cmrc gp1 that is 1600 cc building 230 hp @ the wheels , the hp figure is known as it was disclosed , this is at 8300 rpm , the asr says cars cc is to be checked , now as the cheife of scruteerning by what method am i to check this with out a tool to do so, the head would have to come off for me to do this , i honestly think that 90 percent of the drivers that know the tool is broken will use this to their advantage as they know others will be cautious before protesting as pulling the head would be costly to them if the engine is legal , i wonder when we will come to our senses as a club and put the money together to buy a tool to stop the cheaters .

All clubs need to have the tool to measure the bore and stroke, and further to that a rule should be written that competitors running engine configurations for which the tool can't be used must either buy a tool, approved by the clubs to be kept at the clubs, designed specifically to check their configuration, or take on the burden of the cost of head removal in the event the club requires the displacement checked.

As for the accusations, that's not something I will get into. Checking the bore and stroke of the engine is the ONLY way to prove whether or not an engine is above it's declared displacement. All the speculation in the world about hp at rpm is opinion, and whether sound or not, is not definitive, and shouldn't be treated as such,  and certainly shouldn't be used to declare a vehicle as illegal. All clubs need a functioning cc tool to avoid this sort of speculative controversy.

[KGRSPEED]

So according to nuff ppl, tiefing can gwaan again cause tool nuh deh bout...nobody cant get ketch...smh...shameful to rhatid

[KGRSPEED]

btw, where is the tool...i heard it broke...who broke the tool...why was the tool broken, deliberate or not?

[marck_c]

[marck_c]

[marck_c]

[marck_c]

[toyracer]

btw, where is the tool...i heard it broke...who broke the tool...why was the tool broken, deliberate or not?

The tool was damaged when the stroke length was being checked for Natasha Chang's B16 engine following the Heroes of Speed 2012 event. The tool had already been used to measure the cylinder bore. While the engine was being rotated to measure the stroke length a valve (presumably an intake valve) hit the tool off the top of the piston and trapped it at an angle while the piston was still in motion. The tool was bent, rendering it unusable.

It was not a deliberate act. An ATL mechanic was rotating the engine while I held the tool in place.

[marck_c]

[marck_c]

[marck_c]

[Duct Tape]

Thanks Cappo.
The Dover laps times are now updated in that thread.

[Ricky Star]

Thanks for the race result Cappo , been waiting awhile for them.
The bush cow best lap times seems to be consistent in CMRC Races 3 and TS2, thought I would see a significantly better time than CMRC race 3 after issuing the challenge to Doug after  that race.

[sala2]

Tonx

[dsly1]

My question to the JRDC is why set a rule on the ASR and and no engine displacement checks were done.

This isn't from the JRDC but the Chief Scrutineer Neil Harvey has asked me to copy this (from the GMR&SC forum) and place it here as his response (he cannot post on WJ).

     Today, 09:02 AM
Post #1

Advanced Member

Group: Members
Posts: 1,479
Joined: 29-December 08
From: jamaica
Member No.: 17,061

I read a post on wheels Jamaica from Mathew Gore , what it is asking how come there is a car in mp1 , cmrc gp1 that is 1600 cc building 230 hp @ the wheels , the hp figure is known as it was disclosed , this is at 8300 rpm , the asr says cars cc is to be checked , now as the cheife of scruteerning by what method am i to check this with out a tool to do so, the head would have to come off for me to do this , i honestly think that 90 percent of the drivers that know the tool is broken will use this to their advantage as they know others will be cautious before protesting as pulling the head would be costly to them if the engine is legal , i wonder when we will come to our senses as a club and put the money together to buy a tool to stop the cheaters .

All clubs need to have the tool to measure the bore and stroke, and further to that a rule should be written that competitors running engine configurations for which the tool can't be used must either buy a tool, approved by the clubs to be kept at the clubs, designed specifically to check their configuration, or take on the burden of the cost of head removal in the event the club requires the displacement checked.

As for the accusations, that's not something I will get into. Checking the bore and stroke of the engine is the ONLY way to prove whether or not an engine is above it's declared displacement. All the speculation in the world about hp at rpm is opinion, and whether sound or not, is not definitive, and shouldn't be treated as such,  and certainly shouldn't be used to declare a vehicle as illegal. All clubs need a functioning cc tool to avoid this sort of speculative controversy.

Agreed.  235-250 with the Toyota Atlantics at >9,500 rpm-FLYWHEEL !!!  However, the above is correct; even if he did 300WHP - without a protest or making it mandatory for a test after races - de man OK. The dyno could be at fault too coundn't it?

[dsly1]

My question to the JRDC is why set a rule on the ASR and and no engine displacement checks were done.

This isn't from the JRDC but the Chief Scrutineer Neil Harvey has asked me to copy this (from the GMR&SC forum) and place it here as his response (he cannot post on WJ).

     Today, 09:02 AM
Post #1

Advanced Member

Group: Members
Posts: 1,479
Joined: 29-December 08
From: jamaica
Member No.: 17,061

I read a post on wheels Jamaica from Mathew Gore , what it is asking how come there is a car in mp1 , cmrc gp1 that is 1600 cc building 230 hp @ the wheels , the hp figure is known as it was disclosed , this is at 8300 rpm , the asr says cars cc is to be checked , now as the cheife of scruteerning by what method am i to check this with out a tool to do so, the head would have to come off for me to do this , i honestly think that 90 percent of the drivers that know the tool is broken will use this to their advantage as they know others will be cautious before protesting as pulling the head would be costly to them if the engine is legal , i wonder when we will come to our senses as a club and put the money together to buy a tool to stop the cheaters .

All clubs need to have the tool to measure the bore and stroke, and further to that a rule should be written that competitors running engine configurations for which the tool can't be used must either buy a tool, approved by the clubs to be kept at the clubs, designed specifically to check their configuration, or take on the burden of the cost of head removal in the event the club requires the displacement checked.

As for the accusations, that's not something I will get into. Checking the bore and stroke of the engine is the ONLY way to prove whether or not an engine is above it's declared displacement. All the speculation in the world about hp at rpm is opinion, and whether sound or not, is not definitive, and shouldn't be treated as such,  and certainly shouldn't be used to declare a vehicle as illegal. All clubs need a functioning cc tool to avoid this sort of speculative controversy.

Agreed.  235-250 with the Toyota Atlantics at >9,500 rpm-FLYWHEEL !!!  However, the above is correct; even if he did 300WHP - without a protest or making it mandatory for a test after races - de man OK. The dyno could be at fault too coundn't it?

Or maybe with what is now an accepted norm, he can get the ruling body to state (at the last minute before the race) that cars of his color and type are exempt from such tests.        (sounds familiar........ cars of a certain CC only get a weight break!!!)  Hahaha   - the plot thickens, what is good for the goose is good for the gander !

[Ricky Star]

 

[docjanos]

Many thanks to MarckC for uploading the results--one single is missing (looks like the upload failed). That is CMRC4, Race 2--would appreciate loading that as well--Thanks!

[Duct Tape]